. >> it is not that different from iraq. there are bad things going on in iraq, too. it is not completely peaceable. >> but iraq has a history -- >> the american people really, are on a quasi-isolationist move right now. they don't care for it at all. >> that's a big reason why -- >> there are circumstances that can intervene. which change plans quite legitimately. >> that's right. >> there is not much to >>> exit question. president obama's aim is to transform afghanistan in a way that is commensurate with the military and economic means that will do do the job. isn't that true? carney? >> i don't think they will be able to bring enough force to make afghanistan be peaceful or anything. i think obama is looking for an excuse to cut and run without making it look like cutting and running. >> do you think he can find it? >> yes, i think he is very good at finding excuses. excellent. >> eleanor? >> he has put in place a withdrawal plan and i think he is going to stick to it. maybe after the election, president romney or president obama, they will reassess, but i think f